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Jews in the News

“We have become stupidly politically correct, which is the death of comedy. It’s not good for comedy. Comedy has to walk a thin line, take risks, comedy is the lecherous little elf whispering in the king’s ear, always telling the truth about human behavior” -Mel Brooks, 21 September 2017

Now, this preceding famous Jew’s quote via an anti-anti-Semitic website…

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…is linked to Breitbart:

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So, I already should be confused; Bannon’s allegedly anti-Semitic website (which has at least one ‘self-hating Jew’ columnist) gets a bone toss from an anti-anti-Semitic watchdog while the (accused) anti-Semitic Breitbart and Bannon are roundly warned against by The Times of Israel. Jesus! Could Mel Brooks sort that with comedy?

Mel Brooks very much appreciates the court jester tradition, a tradition under assault from all directions.

Now, what brought out this rant is, former Central Intelligence Agency officer Valerie “of Jewish descent” Plame is racked and pilloried for ‘tweeting’ former CIA officer Phil Giraldi’s column at Unz Review: America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars

What we have here is similarly ludicrous to my introduction; A Jew, Ron Unz, is providing a platform, the Unz Review, to an accused anti-Semite, Phil Giraldi, and when Valerie Plame points to Giraldi lambasting the same ‘usual suspects’ unloaded on by famous self-hating Jew Glenn Greenwald…

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…the press unloads on Plame with what amounts to a ‘journalistic’ rapid fire cannon (HERE, HERE and the academic ‘usual suspect’ HERE.)

‘The Hill’ includes this language:

“The article the former CIA operative linked to argues that the neoconservative foreign policy establishment is largely beholden to American Jews with an attachment to Israel. The article’s author, Philip Giraldi, says American Jews shouldn’t be allowed to make decisions related to Middle East policy”

Glenn Greenwald might argue it is the WRONG Jews allowed to make foreign policy. And that’s where Giraldi ‘stepped on his dick’ (a military expression) and I suspected from the moment I saw the title of his article he’d get blasted, because Giraldi didn’t (and mostly doesn’t) give attention to the manifold traps, where if you’re not watching where you walk, the all-encompassing term ‘Jew’ can lead to; because the word Jew is sort of like the La Brea tar-pit of nouns: whether self-hating Jews, apostate Jews, kinda Jews (not of a Jewish mother, also known as wild oats Jews), agnostic Jews, atheist Jews, Marxist Jews, Reform Jews, Reform-Jews-aren’t-Jews-Jews (hyper-Orthodox Israeli Rabbinate designated Jews), quit screwing over the world Jews (also known as Tikkun Olam Jews), Jews screwed over our world Jews (Sephardic Jews), waiting to be saved from themselves Jews (Bibi Netanyahu and his ilk), evangelizing Jews (also known as Jews for Jesus or cover for MOSSAD assassin Jews), J Street Jews, AIPAC Jews, neocon Jews, neo-liberal Jews (Soros), Jews on the Left, Jews on the right, stand up, sit down, Fight! Fight! Fight! It’s a pity Celebrity Death Match never pitted Glenn Greenwald against Alan Dershowitz, it’d be platinum at youtube:

As much as I’d have preferred a ‘Perfected Jew’ Ann Coulter versus ‘Kinda Jew’ Gloria Steinem death match (with no survivor), there’s no authentic center survives in today’s politically correct world lamented by a real hero: Mel Brooks (may he forever be blessed for Blazing Saddles.)

This brings us back to Giraldi and his ‘platform’ run by Ron Unz. Why is it ‘mainstream’ media fries Plame over Giraldi but neglects to mention Unz is Jewish? Is it because,  example given, Unz Review also hosts ‘Über-Zionist’ and historical revisionist Llana Mercer who states:

“Libertarians err in mistaking the 2,000-year-old Jewish right to the land for a biblically-based, religious claim. The claim is first and foremost historical, although naturally, the Hebrew community’s claim to its ancient homeland can’t be reduced to a title search at the deeds office. Jewish rights to Israel proceed from the original ownership of the land: The original and rightful owners were Jews. The fact that they were killed and exiled by the Romans doesn’t nullify their ownership”

Setting aside the upcoming potential evidence for hypocrisy, in case where Llana doesn’t seem to have read Jewish history from whence Israel had been created by exterminating the Canaanites, this recalls cartoonist Stan Lynde’s joke attributed to a Crow tribal chief:

“This has been Crow land from time immemorial, it was always Crow land, there has never been a time it was not Crow land, that is, ever since we took it from the Shoshones!

Considering:

Canaanite is by far the most frequently used ethnic term in the Bible. In the Book of Joshua, Canaanites are included in a list of nations to exterminate, and later described as a group which the Israelites had annihilated”

One would think a Jew, that is Llana Mercer, would get her own book right, what a shame Louis Black didn’t notice her commonality with certain televangelist Christians:

In fact Israel’s right to exist as a modern state is due solely to certain United Nations acts Arab states are bound by for the very fact the Arab states joined the United Nations and contracted themselves to the western standard of international law. Certainly a case of ‘it sucks for Palestinians’ (particularly going to the Israeli middle finger put to subsequent UN acts) but that’s the shit which actually matters.

And so it is, relating to Plame read Giraldi, an act worthy of politically correct firing squad, no one in ‘mainstream’ notes Ron Unz is a Jew who hosts a Paleo Zionist (read pro-Israel propagandist) who deliberately doesn’t get her history right. Mainstream press would leave the impression Giraldi is hosted by an anti-Israel/anti-Semitic website.

Now again back to Giraldi: I read Giraldi because he’s a spook. Likely Plame read Giraldi because she’s a spook. Now, if Greenwald, far out on the liberal-left, and Giraldi, far out on the conservative-right, finger the same neocons who happen to be Jews, that should inform you they’re onto something. Would it matter if Giraldi were anti-Semitic in the case of his noticing an accurate fact? Or does the fact die to conform Plame to a politically correct history of events? Considering the media phenomenon of ‘hasbara‘ and certain outcome in western press resembling this, professional spy Giraldi’s accusations against western media should merit further investigation:

“Hasbara is a form of propaganda aimed at an international audience, primarily, but not exclusively, in western countries. It is meant to influence the conversation in a way that positively portrays Israeli political moves and policies, including actions undertaken by Israel in the past”

Meanwhile, let’s look at a couple cases of historical, however highly politically incorrect, exemplary causes of anti-Semitism:

The Nakba

“For refugees, camps were shelters for the reconstruction of personal and social life, but were also seen as sites of great political significance, the material testimony of what was destroyed and ‘all that remains’ of more than four hundred cities, towns and villages forcefully cleansed throughout Palestine in the Nakba of 1947-9. This is the reason refugees sometimes refer to the destruction of camps as ‘the destruction of destruction.’ The camp is not a home, it is a temporary arrangement, and its destruction is but the last iteration in an ongoing process of destruction.

“This rhetoric of double negation – the negation of negation – tallies well with what Saree Makdisi, talking about the Israeli refusal to acknowledge the Nakba, has termed ‘the denial of denial’, which is, he says, ‘a form of foreclosure that produces the inability – the absolutely honest, sincere incapacity – to acknowledge that denial and erasure have themselves been erased in turn and purged from consciousness.’ What has been denied is continuously repeated: Israel keeps on inflicting destruction on refugees and keeps on denying that a wrong has been done” –Eyal Weizman: ‘The Least Of All Possible Evils’ (Humanitarian Violence From Arendt To Gaza)

Following on this preceding act, Cairo’s Sephardic Jewish population dropped from 75,000 to less than 100. The Arab world had become anti-Semitic practically overnight (overlooking oxymoron in the term anti-Semitic, Arabs are a Semitic people.)

Meanwhile, about the time indigenous Jews had been abandoning the Arab world on account of blow-back due  to ‘Jewish State’ behavior, Alan Ginsberg had revolted conservative America with exploits disgustingly glorified, in detail, by Jack Kerouac in his ode to debauchery ‘On the Road.’ Ginsberg, his behavior lauded by the New York Times via Kerouac and subsequently his own ‘howl‘, is the one American responsible for more USA anti-Semitism than the entirety of whatever other reasons exist taken together. How this shit is generated and real, is buried within political correctness. Never did a ‘free press’ fuck over more people who happen to be Jews, by generating hate at a single pop with glorifying the personage of Ginsberg, but HEY! that’s ‘free speech’ in America.

If my despise for Ginsberg is anti-Semitic (as a non-Jew, am I entitled to hate a single Jew?), then not only is Giraldi anti-Semitic but so would be Paleo-Zionist Llana Mercer.

If you care to wade through the sewer of anti-Semitism in  the comments at Giraldi’s columns at Unz Review, you’ll see Giraldi, on occasion, show his temper at anti-Semitic accusations, and also you’ll notice those comments bashing the anti-Semite morons who cling to Giraldi’s work like flies attracted to stink, are also allowed to post.

Whether Giraldi is an anti-Semite is probably a matter of interpretation. He doesn’t do well at separating out Jews of differing persuasions is the kinder interpretation, as his terminology is often all too inclusive. But this kinder interpretation could be correct. A big step he could take in the right direction would be to clean up his ‘forum’ (article comments) with disallowing the hate-mongers’ posts. But then, that’s an ‘in principle’ violation of ‘free speech’ in the conservative American tradition. An ACLU case of  ‘heads I win, tails you lose’ or ‘it sucks for Phil.’

Insofar as Ron Unz, a read through a chapter of his American Pravda reveals a self-honesty rare in today’s world; leading one to possibly understand his willingness to entertain spooks, kooks and pukes from across the spectrum of what would otherwise be largely suppressed voices. Clearly, Unz coined the term ‘American Pravda’ for a reason. Beyond this, there are numerous innate political enemies juxtaposed at the Unz Review and that should speak to something.

At the end of the day (and hopefully not the world), Jews are like anyone else; there are good and bad among them, they have their bright and they have their ugly. That just makes us all equal in a geopolitic where everyone uses everyone and certainly the Israelis both use and get used (too willingly) in concert with those Christian Zionist allies fully intending at the end, all Jews will be either converted or dead and a crusader banner flying from the Temple Mount. That’s amazing to me but nobody seems to have a trademark protection on self destructive behaviors.

I have to close this diatribe, and considering the underlying current of the entire business has to do with 3rd parties allegedly fighting Israel’s wars, with spooks in the spotlight, I’ll close with an Israeli spook:

“I am a humbler man today than I was in the 1970s when I joined Israeli intelligence. I’ve learned the hard way that everyone makes mistakes, some of them so big that they are irrevocable. I’ve also changed my view of Israel and the Jewish people. When I was young, I shared with many Israelis a deep nationalistic feeling — the self-righteous and arrogant belief that we were right and everyone else was wrong, that it was more important for Jews and Israel to survive than others, that we were — as the Bible says — the chosen people. I still believe that Jews are chosen. But no longer can I accept the premise on which the Iranian arms deals were based: ‘Better that their boys die than ours.’ People are people. We are all chosen”Ari Ben-Menashe

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Giraldi’s rebuttal to the controversy in ‘mainstream’ (external link)

Related at this site:

Christian anti-Semitism

Friedman and the ‘Narrative’

Comic story of a ‘kinda Jew’ girlfriend

Associated Press puts out John Kerry’s patently false speculation parroted by the fixed Dutch MH 17 investigation’s findings:

“International investigators have concluded that the Buk missile was fired from Russia-backed rebel-controlled territory by a mobile launcher trucked in from Russia and hastily returned”

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In this context it does to remind concerning the USA ‘assistance’ of the Lockerbie bombing case:

“A FORMER Scottish police chief has given lawyers a signed statement claiming that key evidence in the Lockerbie bombing trial was fabricated

“The retired officer – of assistant chief constable rank or higher – has testified that the CIA planted the tiny fragment of circuit board crucial in convicting a Libyan for the 1989 mass murder of 270 people”

http://www.scotsman.com/news/police-chief-lockerbie-evidence-was-faked-1-1403341

It was an FBI ‘expert witness’ testified to this ‘evidence’ authenticity in Lockerbie and another bombed flight at odds with the actual facts:

”It is striking to note the similarity of the ‘scientific’ evidence discovered by the FBI’s Tom Thurman in both the Lockerbie and UTA cases. Of the tens of thousands of pieces of debris collected at each disaster site, one lone piece of printed circuit was found and, miracle of miracles, in each case the fragment bore markings that allowed for positive identification: MEBO in the Lockerbie case and TY in the case of UTA Flight 772. Despite the common findings of the DCPJ, the DST and the Prefecture of Police crime laboratory, Juge Bruguière chose to believe Thurman, the expert in fabricating evidence”

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Thomas_Thurman

Speaking of egregious political lies, we have a former policeman says it WAS INDEED a US Navy missile brought down TWA flight 800…

“Unlike Pierre Salinger, who relies on the internet rumors and old FAA tapes, ex-cop turned investigative reporter Jim Sanders uses original first hand scientific evidence and actual U.S. Government documents and inside sources”

 

…recalling the USA attempted cover-up in its Navy’s shoot-down of an Iranian civilian passenger jet:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2014/07/the_vincennes_downing_of_iran_air_flight_655_the_united_states_tried_to.html

And the other incompetent military which previously blew a Russian civilian airliner out of the sky with a surface to air missile? Would you expect Ukraine? US Navy 2 civilian airliners downed to Ukraine military’s 1 (or 2, depending on the actual facts of MH 17)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812

And the bombing of the flight to Venezuela from Cuba? A known CIA asset was the perpetrator:

“In 2015, the US State Department declassified a document which the Miami Herald reported indicated that Luis Posada Carriles was the most likely planner of the 1976 suitcase bombing of Cubana de Aviación Flight 455 that killed 73 people”

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles

When it comes to demonizing the USA’s boogeymen of choice, these days the boogieman is Russia, no propaganda ploy is too low; even so far as to deliberately perpetrate mass murder framing an innocent party –

This sites most read intelligence assessment:

Black Boxes, Dark Arts & Geopolitics

 

A spy vs spy episode

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Ghost ship. A ‘ghost’ prisoner’s fate is no better

The CIA versus NSA (Pentagon) internecine war ticks up a notch with CIA presstitute AP snitching out the Pentagon’s torture ‘black sites’ on ships:

“THE SHIPS”

“Several inmates said guards frequently threatened prisoners by saying they would “take them to the ships.”

“Senior U.S. defense officials flatly denied the U.S. military conducts any interrogations of Yemenis on any ships.

“We have no comment on these specific claims,” said Jonathan Liu, a CIA spokesman, adding that any allegations of abuse are taken seriously.

“But a Yemeni officer told AP he had worked on a vessel off the coast where he saw at least two detainees brought for questioning.

“He said the detainees were taken below deck, where he was told American “polygraph experts” and “psychological experts” conducted interrogations. He did not have access to the lower decks and thus had no first-hand information about what happened there. But he said he saw other Americans in uniforms on the ship. The officer spoke on condition of anonymity because he feared retaliation for discussing the operations.

“A second Yemeni officer said he was involved in moving detainees to a ship, where he said he saw foreigners though he didn’t know their nationality. “They say these are the important ones. Why are they important? I have no idea,” he said of the detainees.

“A top official in Hadi’s Interior Ministry and a senior military official in the 1st Military District, based in Hadramawt, also contended that Americans were conducting interrogations at sea, as did a former senior security official in Hadramawt. The three men spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to share military information”

No doubt the American public will see this as some revelation but actually this old news:

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Obama didn’t actually close down black site prisons, he merely relocated them to preexisting black site ships run by the military. This (above screenshot) article is from 2010:

“U.S. PRISON SHIPS: On June 2, 2008 UK’s Guardian reported, “The US has admitted that the Bataan and Peleliu were used as prison ships between December 2001 and January 2002”. According to Reprieve, the U.S. may have used 17 ships as “floating prisons” since 2001. Detainees are interrogated on ships and may be rendered to other, undisclosed locations. Reprieve expressed concern over the time the U.S.S. Ashland spent off Somalia in early 2007. According to The Guardian, “At this time many people were abducted by Somali, Kenyan and Ethiopian forces in a systematic operation involving regular interrogations by individuals believed to be members of the FBI and CIA. Ultimately more than 100 individuals were ‘disappeared’ to prisons in locations including Kenya, Somalia, Ethiopia, Djibouti and Guantanamo Bay. Reprieve believes prisoners may have also been held for interrogation on the USS Ashland and other ships in the Gulf of Aden during this time.”

The U.S. Navy, through a spokesman, said, “There are no detention facilities on US navy ships” but Commander Jeffrey Gordon told The Guardian some individuals had been put on ships “for a few days” during initial days of detention.

Reprieve quoted one prisoner released from Guantanamo who was on one of the U.S. ships who said there were 50 other prisoners in cages in the bottom of the ship and they were beaten even more severely than in Guantanamo. Clive Stafford Smith, Reprieve’s legal director, is quoted as saying, “They choose ships to try to keep their misconduct as far as possible from the prying eyes of the media and lawyers. We will eventually reunite these ghost prisoners with their legal rights”

Well, good luck with ‘reuniting’ those ‘ghost’ prisoners with their families, recalling it was Henry Kissinger mentored the South American military strongmen who ‘disappeared’ tens of thousands of ‘suspected’ leftists. The relevance? Multiple tens of thousands of ‘ghost’ prisoners remain unaccounted for, of the estimated 100,000 or so ‘renditioned’ prisoners directly related to the USA’s war on terror. The real news is, it would appear those prisoners who aren’t ‘outsourced’ but meet ‘importance’ criteria enough to be sent to ‘The Ships” are disappeared and don’t come back. How many? This, on top of renditions math that doesn’t add up, the ‘lie by omission’ the AP is never going to admit (if only because it gets sticky, in that case, for the CIA, not only the Pentagon.) Adding ‘The Ships’ to the known CIA renditions flights, we ALL can know the Feinstein torture investigation had been little more than a whitewash.

Here’s my article on the renditions math from December, 2014:

122 KNOWN aircraft were used in renditions within a database of 11,000 flights (by those aircraft) during the known period of renditions. With 119 ‘detained suspects’ acknowledged in Feinstein’s ‘torture report’, the first problem we see is, there are more planes known to have renditioned people than the ‘torture report’ admits had been renditioned. Ignoring the idea the CIA had required use of a separate plane for each rendition (+3 planes), the initial math comes out to 92 flights per prisoner. Let’s toss 1/2 the flights and we have 46 flights per prisoner. Let’s toss 1/2 the flights again, and we have 23 flights per prisoner. Ok, so now we’ve thrown out 75% of the flights by known renditions aircraft and that works out to 25% of the flights would amount to renditions of 2,750 prisoners. So, let’s cut that by half again; if 12.5% of the known flights were renditions, there would be 1,375 kidnapped and or captured persons flown by the CIA. Cut in half again, to 6.25% of flights by planes known to fly renditions, and we should have 688 involuntary ‘transportees.’ If 3% of the flights by KNOWN renditions aircraft, were transporting ONE prisoner each, depending on number of stops, we’d still have up to 344 people (versus Feinstein’s 119), relating to the CIA renditions.

The disparity of the math is too great to give any sense of  credibility or reliability to the Feinstein report. And there is no present way of determining whether flights ‘disappearing’ people (dumped at sea) had been employed in the (CIA supported) Latin America junta style.

Now, it stands to reason we don’t have close to all of the planes and flights identified because many of them would have been military. As well, we know the American military has not been even close to fully probed over its own ‘black site’ torture centers, this documentary film’s existence (suppressed in American media) is a singular example:

How many people are missing? We’ll never know so long as the people perpetrating the crimes (CIA-U.S. military) are the people providing access to the information, such as the CIA had in the case of the Feinstein probe. The Feinstein ‘torture report’ can be little more than a ‘we’ll acknowledge as little as possible’ white-wash or professional psychological operation employed for purpose of damage control.

There needs to be an authentic accounting. Most or nearly all flights that weren’t to ‘black sites’ were likely military flights to, examples given, Bagram and Guantanamo. The point of using civilian jets together with filing false flight plans is to cover criminal activity such as kidnap renditions. A civilian jet points to a kidnap rendition or less often, someone handed over by a 3rd party, for instance Pakistan, as opposed to a battlefield capture. What are the structures? Aside from inferred CIA black sites in the  Senate report identified from other sources (Poland, Romania et al) it is known prisoners were delivered for torture to 3d party nations Morocco, Jordan, Syria, Egypt and Libya, there was a ‘black site’ under military control at Bagram and there well may have been a ‘black site’ at Guantanamo separate from the regular detention facility, not to mention strong indicators pointing to Diego Garcia. As well, I’ve seen reports Special Forces in Afghanistan, working with CIA, had numerous small (off record) detention facilities in remote areas where prisoners had been shell-gamed to evade rules, and reports of black site jails on U.S. navy ships. Also there are indications renditions had been reduced in favor of stepped up assassinations under Obama. The subject of renditions is a longs ways from broken open in any sense of reality.

And there is a large question yet looms .. ‘what had been the fate of the women prisoners’ ?

June Notes, Week Three the 3rd soap installment

June Notes, Week Two spooks & USA infrastructure

June Notes, Week One weapons sales, media whores & more

Related:

“We Tortured Some Folks”

Reorganizing Murder Inc

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A Sociopaths & Democracy project

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turkey |ˈtərkē|
noun (pl. turkeys)
1 common, a much maligned member of the buzzard family Benjamin Franklin had unsuccessfully nominated as the USA’s national symbol.
2 slang, something that is extremely or completely moronic • e.g. a stupid or inept person named Erdogan.
3 formal, a NATO nation located on the Anatolian peninsula in western Asia, with a small enclave in southeastern Europe west of Istanbul; pop. 76,805,500 (est. 2009); capital, Ankara; language, Turkish (official.)

Follows are several examples covering crime and corruption, centered on NATO’s Turkey(s), up to and inclusive of mass murder pinned on the wrong party; or what happens when the ‘national security state’ (read intelligence agencies) make policy, ‘color of law’ supplants constitutions and ‘democratic’ principles are reduced to perpetrating fraud:

When The Enemy of Your Enemy is Your Enemy buying IS oil

NATO’s (not so) Free Press news suppression

NATO’s Most Censored Story false-flag sarin attack

About Those NATO Nukes in Turkey

Mike Flynn & Turkish Silver sold out for 30 pieces

The Poisonous Toad on Fetullah Gulen

Calling Our Corbett Report poisoning the poison gas narrative

No Alliance is Too Obscene the USA ‘tomahawk chop’

All In The Mix: of Sultans, Spooks & Sarin

The Sultan’s Sleaze Circus

Primary Responsible NATO Intelligence Chiefs:

^ John Brennan CIA

^ Mike Pompeo CIA

^ Bernard Bajolet DGSE

^ Gerhard Schindler BND

^ Bruno Kahl BND

^ Alex Younger MI6

^ Hakan Fidan MIT

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A not so trivial social circumstance embedded in the world class criminal event of Turkey’s Erdogan whoring himself to the other NATO states in the Syria ‘regime change’ efforts is the following social phenomenon: Erdogan and the western democracies embracing Saudi Arabia and it’s Wahhabi extreme (dark ages) philosophy from which the Salafi al Qaida & Islamic State were born; Erdogan with apparent sincerity, the  western democracies ‘great game’ engaged intelligence agencies as a matter of cynical convenience, resulting in a compound fracture of Turkish society as the conservative (Wahhabi aligned) elements persecute the formerly mainstream Sufi Islam of moderation. This process will ultimately radicalize and has already polarized the entire nation-state of Turkey. In meanwhile, the CIA’s manipulation of the Sufi identified Fetullah Gulen provides Turkey’s closet Wahhabi Erdogan all the excuse he needs to wage internal war on Sufis of every persuasion, in his drive to consolidate power over ‘democratic’ principles. What follows is cynical description of bellicose and murderous developments both caused by & embraced by (behind closed doors), as well denied for the public perception/deception by the principal responsible parties, that is the NATO states. Turkey is the critical front-line staging ground of what otherwise would be an impossible task, the overthrow of Assad. Whether Saudi Arabia, Israel, USA, UK, France or Germany, all NATO and NATO aligned states contributing to the ‘regime change’ in Syria depend on Turkey to get the job done. Let’s have a bit of a longer look at how that plan is working out:

It would appear the (CIA concubine) Associated Press took over two weeks to decide whether, then when, and finally how to report 30 journalists from Zaman newspaper in Turkey are being prosecuted with multiple life in prison sentences to run consecutively. I suppose three life sentences, applied consecutively, should mean Sultan Erdogan of Turkey controls not only this life but as well, the afterlife, that’s two life sentences, and then? Not to worry, the Sultan’s legal minions are working on this philosophy of law problem, initial indications are it will be solved with multiple, consecutive ex post facto death sentences, that is, as soon as the ‘Rumsfeld-Cheney Afterlife Dilemma‘ can be solved:

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fill in the blank, your name here?

The psychology of the ‘government friendly’ Anadolu Agency (preceding) illustration is quite informative, a ‘fill-in-the-blanks’ prosecution file daring any Turk to cross Sultan Erdogan and face capital punishment:

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^ Sultan Erdogan’s philosophy: ‘dead men don’t talk’

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced to raucous supporters, chanting “we want the death penalty,” that his government is bent on reinstating capital punishment retroactively to execute those behind the abortive coup in July”

Of Sultan Erdogan’s 50,000 accused ‘coup plotters’ (from the 150,000 purged from Turkey’s institutions), the Zaman journalists are a little bit unique; having seen their newspaper seized and investigations-prosecutions initiated in March 2016, months previous to the July 2016 attempted coup itself. Now, this would indicate not only did the reporters direct the coup plot from jail, all of the 50,000 subsequently identified coup plotters somehow managed to keep the coming coup secret and managed to surprise the sultan; common folk wisdom notwithstanding:

“Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead” -Benjamin Franklin

No element of any witch-hunt in Sultan Erdogan’s prosecutions to now, eh, Sherlock? What’s more is, I doubt Al Gore should be able to copyright the expression ‘inconvenient truth’ when it comes to the heat rising in a social climate; particularly when it so happens the Associated Press coverage, sans planned for, retroactive, death sentences of the Zaman journalists following on consecutive life sentences, AP also neglects altogether to mention the really creepy bug the Zaman reporters had put up Sultan Erdogan’s butt – and why the Zaman ‘coup plotters’ were arrested months before the ‘surprise’ coup – as it just so happens Zaman had dared print result (preserved article) of investigation from 2013 revealing the sultan’s intelligence chief, Hakan Fidan, had arranged sarin deliveries to Islamic militants in Syria, the very same sarin used to murder roughly 1,300 ordinary Syrians, all to be blamed on Assad:

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After all, going to the idea the Zaman newspaper had been aligned with CIA asset Fetullah Gulen, none of this ‘the sultan’s people did it’ allegations could possibly be true, correct? And I suppose that means by similar logic none of this following, very competently assembled information, could be true either; because it’d been put together by the self-appointed crusaders & perfectly, socially stupid Islamophobes at Jihad Watch, meanwhile noting there’s nothing like a little hate to motivate one digging into a despised NATO ally’s dirty laundry:

Turkey provides military equipment to Islamic State

  • An ISIS commander told The Washington Post on August 12, 2014: “Most of the fighters who joined us in the beginning of the war came via Turkey, and so did our equipment and supplies.”
  • Kemal Kiliadaroglu, head of the Republican People’s Party (CHP), produced a statement from the Adana Office of the Prosecutor on October 14, 2014 maintaining that Turkey supplied weapons to terror groups. He also produced interview transcripts from truck drivers who delivered weapons to the groups. According to Kiliadaroglu, the Turkish government claims the trucks were for humanitarian aid to the Turkmen, but the Turkmen said no humanitarian aid was delivered.
  • According to CHP Vice President Bulent Tezcan, three trucks were stopped in Adana for inspection on January 19, 2014. The trucks were loaded with weapons in Esenboga Airport in Ankara. The drivers drove the trucks to the border, where a MIT agent was supposed to take over and drive the trucks to Syria to deliver materials to ISIS and groups in Syria. This happened many times. When the trucks were stopped, MIT agents tried to keep the inspectors from looking inside the crates. The inspectors found rockets, arms, and ammunitions.
  • Cumhuriyet reports that Fuat Avni, a preeminent Twitter user who reported on the December 17th corruption probe, that audio tapes confirm that Turkey provided financial and military aid to terrorist groups associated with Al Qaeda on October 12, 2014. On the tapes, Erdogan pressured the Turkish Armed Forces to go to war with Syria. Erdogan demanded that Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey’s National Intelligence Agency (MIT), come up with a justification for attacking Syria.
  • Hakan Fidan told Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Yasar Guler, a senior defense official, and Feridun Sinirlioglu, a senior foreign affairs official: “If need be, I’ll send 4 men into Syria. I’ll formulate a reason to go to war by shooting 8 rockets into Turkey; I’ll have them attack the Tomb of Suleiman Shah.”
  • Documents surfaced on September 19th, 2014 showing that the Saudi prince Bander Bin Sultan financed the transportation of arms to ISIS through Turkey. A flight leaving Germany dropped off arms in the Etimesgut airport in Turkey, which was then split into three containers, two of which were given to ISIS and one to Gaza.

Turkey Provided Transport and Logistical Assistance to ISIS Fighters

  • According to Radikal on June 13, 2014, Interior Minister Muammar Guler signed a directive: “According to our regional gains, we will help al-Nusra militants against the branch of PKK terrorist organization, the PYD, within our borders…Hatay is a strategic location for the mujahideen crossing from within our borders to Syria. Logistical support for Islamist groups will be increased, and their training, hospital care, and safe passage will mostly take place in Hatay…MIT and the Religious Affairs Directorate will coordinate the placement of fighters in public accommodations.”
  • The Daily Mail reported on August 25, 2014 that many foreign militants joined ISIS in Syria and Iraq after traveling through Turkey, but Turkey did not try to stop them. This article describes how foreign militants, especially from the UK, go to Syria and Iraq through the Turkish border. They call the border the “Gateway to Jihad.” Turkish army soldiers either turn a blind eye and let them pass, or the jihadists pay the border guards as little as $10 to facilitate their crossing.
  • Britain’s Sky News obtained documents showing that the Turkish government has stamped passports of foreign militants seeking to cross the Turkey border into Syria to join ISIS.
  • The BBC interviewed villagers, who claim that buses travel at night, carrying jihadists to fight Kurdish forces in Syria and Iraq, not the Syrian Armed Forces.
  • A senior Egyptian official indicated on October 9, 2014 that Turkish intelligence is passing satellite imagery and other data to ISIS.

Turkey Provided Training to ISIS Fighters

  • CNN Turk reported on July 29, 2014 that in the heart of Istanbul, places like Duzce and Adapazari, have become gathering spots for terrorists. There are religious orders where ISIS militants are trained. Some of these training videos are posted on the Turkish ISIS propaganda website takvahaber.net. According to CNN Turk, Turkish security forces could have stopped these developments if they had wanted to.
  • Turks who joined an affiliate of ISIS were recorded at a public gathering in Istanbul, which took place on July 28, 2014.
  • A video shows an ISIS affiliate holding a prayer/gathering in Omerli, a district of Istanbul. In response to the video, CHP Vice President, MP Tanrikulu submitted parliamentary questions to the Minister of the Interior, Efkan Ala, asking questions such as, “Is it true that a camp or camps have been allocated to an affiliate of ISIS in Istanbul? What is this affiliate? Who is it made up of? Is the rumor true that the same area allocated for the camp is also used for military exercises?”
  • Kemal Kiliçdaroglu warned the AKP government not to provide money and training to terror groups on October 14, 2014. He said, “It isn’t right for armed groups to be trained on Turkish soil. You bring foreign fighters to Turkey, put money in their pockets, guns in their hands, and you ask them to kill Muslims in Syria. We told them to stop helping ISIS. Ahmet Davutoglu asked us to show proof. Everyone knows that they’re helping ISIS.” (See HERE and HERE.)
  • According to Jordanian intelligence, Turkey trained ISIS militants for special operations.

Turkey Offers Medical Care to ISIS Fighters

  • An ISIS commander told the Washington Post on August 12, 2014, “We used to have some fighters — even high-level members of the Islamic State — getting treated in Turkish hospitals.”
  • Taraf reported on October 12, 2014 that Dengir Mir Mehmet Firat, a founder of the AKP, said that Turkey supported terrorist groups and still supports them and treats them in hospitals. “In order to weaken the developments in Rojova (Syrian Kurdistan), the government gave concessions and arms to extreme religious groups…the government was helping the wounded. The Minister of Health said something such as, it’s a human obligation to care for the ISIS wounded.”
  • According to Taraf, Ahmet El H, one of the top commanders at ISIS and Al Baghdadi’s right hand man, was treated at a hospital in Sanliurfa, Turkey, along with other ISIS militants. The Turkish state paid for their treatment. According to Taraf’s sources, ISIS militants are being treated in hospitals all across southeastern Turkey. More and more militants have been coming in to be treated since the start of airstrikes in August. To be more specific, eight ISIS militants were transported through the Sanliurfa border crossing; these are their names: “Mustafa A., Yusuf El R., Mustafa H., Halil El M., Muhammet El H., Ahmet El S., Hasan H., [and] Salim El D.”

Turkey Supports ISIS Financially Through Purchase of Oil

  • On September 13, 2014, The New York Times reported on the Obama administration’s efforts to pressure Turkey to crack down on ISIS extensive sales network for oil. James Phillips, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, argues that Turkey has not fully cracked down on ISIS’s sales network because it benefits from a lower price for oil, and that there might even be Turks and government officials who benefit from the trade.
  • Fehim Tastekin wrote in Radikal on September 13, 2014 about illegal pipelines transporting oil from Syria to nearby border towns in Turkey. The oil is sold for as little as 1.25 liras per liter. Tastekin indicated that many of these illegal pipelines were dismantled after operating for 3 years, once his article was published.
  • According to Diken and OdaTV, David Cohen, a Justice Department official, says that there are Turkish individuals acting as middlemen to help sell ISIS’s oil through Turkey.
  • On October 14, 2014, a German Parliamentarian from the Green Party accused Turkey of allowing the transportation of arms to ISIS over its territory, as well as the sale of oil.

Turkey Assists ISIS Recruitment

  • Kemal Kiliadaroglu claimed on October 14, 2014 that ISIS offices in Istanbul and Gaziantep are used to recruit fighters. On October 10, 2014, the mufti of Konya said that 100 people from Konya joined ISIS 4 days ago. (See HERE and HERE.)
  • OdaTV reports that Takva Haber serves as a propaganda outlet for ISIS to recruit Turkish-speaking individuals in Turkey and Germany. The address where this propaganda website is registered corresponds to the address of a school called Irfan Koleji, which was established by Ilim Yayma Vakfi, a foundation that was created by Erdogan and Davutoglu, among others. It is thus claimed that the propaganda site is operated from the school of the foundation started by AKP members.
  • Minister of Sports, Suat Kilic, an AKP member, visited Salafi jihadists who are ISIS supporters in Germany. The group is known for reaching out to supporters via free Quran distributions and raising funds to sponsor suicide attacks in Syria and Iraq by raising money.
  • OdaTV released a video allegedly showing ISIS militants riding a bus in Istanbul.

Turkish Forces Are Fighting Alongside ISIS

  • On October 7, 2014, IBDA-C, a militant Islamic organization in Turkey, pledged support to ISIS. A Turkish friend who is a commander in ISIS suggests that Turkey is “involved in all of this” and that “10,000 ISIS members will come to Turkey.” A Huda-Par member at the meeting claims that officials criticize ISIS but in fact sympathize with the group (Huda-Par, the “Free Cause Party”, is a Kurdish Sunni fundamentalist political party). BBP member claims that National Action Party (MHP) officials are close to embracing ISIS. In the meeting, it is asserted that ISIS militants come to Turkey frequently to rest, as though they are taking a break from military service. They claim that Turkey will experience an Islamic revolution, and Turks should be ready for jihad. (See HERE and HERE.)
  • Seymour Hersh maintains in the London Review of Books that ISIS conducted sarin attacks in Syria, and that Turkey was a party. “For months there had been acute concern among senior military leaders and the intelligence community about the role in the war of Syria’s neighbors, especially Turkey. Prime Minister Recep Erdogan was known to be supporting the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist faction among the rebel opposition, as well as other Islamist rebel groups. ‘We knew there were some in the Turkish government,’ a former senior US intelligence official, who has access to current intelligence, told me, ‘who believed they could get Assad’s nuts in a vice by dabbling with a sarin attack inside Syria – and forcing Obama to make good on his red line threat.”
  • On September 20, 2014, Demir Celik, a Member of Parliament with the people’s democratic party (HDP) claimed that Turkish Special Forces fight with ISIS.

Turkey Helped ISIS in Battle for Kobani

  • Anwar Moslem, Mayor of Kobani, said on September 19, 2014: “Based on the intelligence we got two days before the breakout of the current war, trains full of forces and ammunition, which were passing by north of Kobane, had an-hour-and-ten-to-twenty-minute-long stops in these villages: Salib Qaran, Gire Sor, Moshrefat Ezzo. There are evidences, witnesses, and videos about this. Why is ISIS strong only in Kobane’s east? Why is it not strong either in its south or west? Since these trains stopped in villages located in the east of Kobane, we guess they had brought ammunition and additional force for the ISIS.” In the second article on September 30, 2014, a CHP delegation visited Kobani, where locals claimed that everything from the clothes ISIS militants wear to their guns comes from Turkey. (See HERE and HERE.)
  • Released by Nuhaber, a video shows Turkish military convoys carrying tanks and ammunition moving freely under ISIS flags in the Cerablus region and Karkamis border crossing (September 25, 2014). There are writings in Turkish on the trucks.
  • Salih Muslim, PYD head, claims that 120 militants crossed into Syria from Turkey between October 20th and 24th, 2014.
  • According to an op-ed written by a YPG commander in The New York Times on October 29, 2014, Turkey allows ISIS militants and their equipment to pass freely over the border.
  • Diken reported, “ISIS fighters crossed the border from Turkey into Syria, over the Turkish train tracks that delineate the border, in full view of Turkish soldiers. They were met there by PYD fighters and stopped.”
  • A Kurdish commander in Kobani claims that ISIS militants have Turkish entry stamps on their passports.
  • Kurds trying to join the battle in Kobani are turned away by Turkish police at the Turkey-Syrian border.
  • OdaTV released a photograph of a Turkish soldier befriending ISIS militants.

Now, if this preceding is too much to absorb, let’s look at one paragraph in particular, backing up the Zaman reporting it was the Turkish sultan’s ‘turks’ had gassed the Syrians:

“Seymour Hersh maintains in the London Review of Books that ISIS conducted sarin attacks in Syria, and that Turkey was a party. “For months there had been acute concern among senior military leaders and the intelligence community about the role in the war of Syria’s neighbors, especially Turkey. Prime Minister Recep Erdogan was known to be supporting the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist faction among the rebel opposition, as well as other Islamist rebel groups. ‘We knew there were some in the Turkish government,’ a former senior US intelligence official, who has access to current intelligence, told me, ‘who believed they could get Assad’s nuts in a vice by dabbling with a sarin attack inside Syria – and forcing Obama to make good on his red line threat.””

In other words, independent intelligence sources back up the Zaman’s claim the sarin attack originated in Turkey, with the Turkish sultan’s ‘turks’ entirely responsible. Anyone see a problem here? Here’s the simple math:

  1. The Zaman newspaper is aligned with Fetullah Gulen, a CIA asset. Therefor none of its reporting, which happens in the sarin case to line up with a renown reporter’s independent intelligence sources, is credible. That should suit the CIA because their own asset had just performed this next:
  2. A supposedly CIA controlled newspaper, with CIA asset Fetullah Gulen the CIA’s controlling proxy, shoots the nuts off Obama CIA director Brennan’s ‘Assad did it’ Syria/sarin bullshit, on Brennan’s watch. Oh my. How’d that happen?
  3. The Turkish intelligence did it facts are revealed in Turkey’s parliament by decidedly NOT-GULEN-ALIGNED deputies of the CHP or Peoples’ Party, complete with dossier containing phone tap records. Ow. Shit.
  4. French intelligence claims ‘Assad did it’ in 2017 because the 2017 chemical signatures match the ‘Assad did it’ samples from 2013. Say what? Judging from DGSE boss (French CIA) Bernard Bajolet’s retarded smirk in this file photo, no one outside of Mad Magazine should take French intelligence seriously:

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If you miss the significance of this immediate preceding, what the moron Bajolet’s people had just done is, IF this were true, made a case it was the same process, precursor chemicals and people (the Turkey supplied Islamic militants) which had gassed the Syrians in 2013, had done it again in 2017. That’s the only reasonable conclusion when French intelligence claims a chemical match for both sets of victims. Of course this should pose no real problem  for western intelligence agencies with Sultan Erdogan piling on multiple life sentences (with retroactive death sentences in the works) for not only the Zaman reporters but the civil judges, police and prosecutors who’d investigated and, as well, the decidedly NOT-GULEN aligned parliamentarians who’d brought forward it was Turkey provided the sarin into public purview.

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About the shipment, Republic prosecutor of Adana, Mehmet Arıkan, made an operation and the related people were detained. But as far as I understand he was not an influential person in bureaucracy. A week after, another public prosecutor was assigned, took over the indictment and all the detainees were released. And they left Turkey crossing the Syrian border.

“The phone recordings in the indictment showed all the details from how the shipment was going to be made to how it was prepared, from the content of the labs to the source of the materials. Which trucks were going to be used, all dates etc. From A to Z, everything was discussed and recorded. Despite all of this evidence, the suspects were released.

“And the shipment happened,” Erdem added. “Because no one stopped them. That’s why maybe the sarin gas used in Syria is a result of this”

So, what gives here? By the numbers again:

  1. The CIA either does not control Gulen, or Gulen, if indeed a CIA asset, did not control the Zaman newspaper when it came to initial reporting of the actual facts on the sarin attack in Syria. This information, widely known, would be badly damaging to the false-flag ‘regime change’ endeavors of NATO’s USA, UK, France and Germany’s intelligence agencies, without exception, all heads of which had goose-stepped together with Turkey in the ‘Assad did it’ geopolitical false-flag gambit.
  2. The rather helpless western democracies protests, replete with crocodile tears and sanctimonious hand-wringing for the press notwithstanding, those very EU & NATO nations are clearly in debt to Erdogan’s forcefully crushing the Zaman’s (and other media) reporting and will no doubt be grateful behind closed doors the Zaman reporters, civil judges, police & prosecutors, as well the courageous parliamentarians will ultimately be put to death in Turkey’s coming ‘color of law’ bloodbath that will literally bury the most damning witnesses to NATO’s crime spree in Syria.
  3. Turkey is the sole front-line state bordering Syria, that is also hostile to Syria, with the necessary developed infrastructure to carry out the major undertaking of overcoming a well organized Syrian army in order to overthrow Assad’s regime. It follows, with making insincere protestations, looking the other way, and/or taking advantage of the criminal circumstance in Turkey to effect regime change, the NATO nations and allies are fully complicit in Turkey’s Erdogan crimes via the legal concept of ‘accessory.’
  4. After all is done, Turkey fractures into pieces, not only Syria.

Where is our alternative press and dissident journalists on this story? Waiting for Erdogan to employ his in the works ‘color of law’ ex post facto death penalties and execute the most relevant and ‘sanguine’ witnesses, so our journalists can say: Oops. Sorry about that. Well, we did wait a bit long to look at what was going down, now didn’t we? Uh, I suppose we can’t report without the witnesses, now can we?

F**K-HEADS.

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Sundry notes:

The western multinational (read oil companies, CIA & Pentagon) covert efforts to break away the Kurdish regions in Iraq, Syria and, ultimately Turkey & Iran, into an independent Kurdistan, is fraught with danger. The Kurds, the largest stateless ‘minority’ in the world, are certainly deserving of their own state via a right of self-determination. But this proud people, who’d produced one of history’s great figures, Saladin, are receiving their new beginning in this circumstance with an attending NATO curse.

The European Union relationship to Turkey has been a farce for quite some time. It is better described as a relationship of bribery and blackmail; politicians on both sides know (and have known for a long time) there will be no Turkey membership in the EU. The ongoing pretense had been a perfect hypocrisy, the will never existed on either parties part. More recently, the EU bribes (‘take our billions and keep the refugee floodgates closed’) and Turkey blackmails (‘give us visa free regime so we can more easily pursue the revenge of the Ottomans or we’ll open the refugee flood again.’) Multiculturalism is a failed experiment on all parties part, largely because secularism was never socially mature enough in Europe’s Christian or Islamic communities.

The Gulen educational organization, while no doubt infiltrated and used by CIA for purposes of laundering terror in the Islamic world, would nevertheless be a circumstance where 90%+ of its employees are unsuspecting and sincere innocents/educators; in a situation where the controlling parties on either side of the CIA-Erdogan divide are so corrupt, no one would know what to believe and so couldn’t believe any of the conflicting claims. Whether Gulen himself is aware of the extent of intelligence agency crime laundered through his organization is open to question. Almost certainly most of the clandestine aspect fall under a circumstance of ‘what Gulen doesn’t know, won’t hurt him.’

NATO or, No Alliance is Too Obscene, is evidence prima facie democracy is a failed experiment in the western civilized experience. Today’s focus is a lesson in ‘democratic principles’ trashing the rule of law.

Turkey:

  1. The highest rate of incarcerated journalists in the world with 140 recently arrested and 200 media outlets shut down.
  2. 120,000 ‘suspect’ government employees fired, including state officers, police officers, teachers, lawyers, judges, prosecutors, all kinds of professionals, in short, anyone opposed to Erdogan
  3. 40,000 arrested
  4. 12 universities shuttered and 1,000 professors fired per: “it has very rapidly turned into a political witch hunt to combine all the political opponents of president Erdogan or the AK party. As part of this, hundreds of academics have been dismissed from their positions, all valuable professors or researchers”

That is, without a doubt, the biggest convicted group of ‘coup plotters’ in the annals of history. Against this backdrop, Pasha Erdogan held his subsequent  ‘make me president for life’ referendum, requiring changing the electoral rules mid-vote so un-certified ballots could be used to push his ‘yes’ vote over the top; and when the professional international monitors officially noted this, the new Emir of Turkey, that is Erdogan, told them “Know your place

Then, USA president ‘The Donald’ called and wished Erdogan countless erotic blow-jobs from his sex slaves, er, political prisoners, or whatever it is they actually say when the rule of law has been anally gang-raped, but acting as if this were the most felicitous possible outcome for a democracy in the western alliance constituting NATO. Then, Trump invited Erdogan to the White House, no doubt to meet with de facto President  Dick Cheney, er, I meant religious fascist Mike Pence.

Now, all of this culminates in the USA’s General James ‘mad dog’ Mattis popping up in Israel to announce Assad goes on gassing his own people when we know it is journalists, judges, police, prosecutors and yes, even members of parliament, are jailed in Turkey for revealing it was Turkish intelligence had arranged the sarin attack that killed well over 1,000 ordinary Syrians in August 2013 (blamed on Assad.)

If anyone misses the significance of this most recent, it has to do with the paranoid-fascist-nationalist (but opposed to USA war in Syria) Steve Bannon has been sidelined on national security issues; Trump son-in-law (gangster) Jared Kushner (read Bibi via Ambassador Friedman), Mike Pence and the generals, primarily, now hold the ‘national security’ portfolio. In a nutshell, there’s the 180 degree Trump turnaround on Syria.

How did this cocktail suddenly all come around to the Pentagon giving field commanders authorization to order up any weapons strike they please per Mad Dog Mattis telling his generals:

“It’s not the same as it was, you don’t have to ask us before you drop a MOAB” [Massive Ordinance Air Blast or mother of all bombs]

There is a likely simple answer. The military hotline set up between the USA and Russians in Syria had been used to notify the Russians to get ‘out of the way’ prior to the USA’s launch of 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles and the 30 minutes notice had been quite adequate for the Russians to get direction from the Kremlin; where subsequently the Russians had employed their Syria based S-300 and S-400 surface to air missile batteries to knock down 36 of the Tomahawks, with 23 Tomahawks through to target, denials on all parties part notwithstanding (the Saker makes a case for electronic warfare in an article that is quite astute until he demonstrates profound ignorance of the USA body politic, Gabbard stands no chance in the present fixed system and Pence, who may be the de facto president already, is by far more dangerous than Trump.)

If this were (it’s the only sensible answer if the Russians are reporting  accurately, the Tomahawk cruise missile shouldn’t develop a nearly 70% failure rate overnight and we know the Americans routinely lie) what had happened, the American generals had been humiliated by a clear message from Putin: Russia has drawn a line in the sand and that line is in Syria. But the American generals hubris is too great to grasp the full implications (alternatively, they expect Jesus to return and ‘save’ them.)

The Americans claim all 59 Tomahawks were on. The Russians state 36 were off and behave as though puzzled by the fact. But it is the subsequent behavior of the Americans that is most telling. Mattis gives his generals free reins to employ any weapon in the field (one presumes tactical nuclear weapons, the MOAB is close) without pre-authorization, shows up in Israel claiming Assad is gassing the Syrians, and suddenly Bibi has a new best friend and the ‘Greater Israel’ project sees new horizons open up with the American alliance in agreement 1) Assad must go and be replaced with a compliant head (of a failed state) in Syria, splitting off Hezbollah from Iran and 2) Iran is the common animus.

Bibi expects the Americans will provide the muscle to fend off Russia, the Americans expect the Israelis will be the platform to take down Iran (something Netanyahu couldn’t get Bush to agree to, let alone Obama.)

And so it is the Mike Pence aligned messianic generals at the Pentagon propose entering a Christian crusader’s sexually repressed orgy of violence together with the messianic (waiting to be saved from themselves) Israelis, all pointed to literal Armageddon.

Meanwhile, back in NATO’s Turkey, Erdogan appears capable of back-stabbing any entity he does business with; at one time or another he’s back-stabbed the Russians, he’s back-stabbed the European Union, he’s back-stabbed the Americans, but most tellingly, Erdogan has back-stabbed his own people.

But that only makes Erdogan an equal partner in NATO; who’ve collectively back-stabbed civilization, whether trading for oil with Islamic State, arming al-Qaida, or more recently, setting the stage for a civilization ending war.

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The preceding insanity updates the following insanity from 2015

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Cold-blooded killer of too many Syrians and Iraqis to count

NATO’s UPGRADED GLADIO is the subject of this essay, where the western democracies enemy Islamic State is Turkey’s favorite fuck-buddy. Call it a play on the Middle East expression ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Only here it is ‘my enemy is my friend’s favorite fuck.’

This week, a result of a lawsuit filed personally by the president of Turkey (Edogan, image on left), two courageous journalists were arrested and charged with treason, terrorism and  revealing state secrets. What had they done? Revealed Turkish intelligence had been caught by some over-zealous local gendarmes when running guns and ammunition to hard-line Islamist militia with close ties to al-Qaida:

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^ Story killed by Erdogan’s police takeover of Today’s Zaman newpaper, click on image to read about the paper’s shutting down

Now, if that were not enough concerning NATO member Turkey’s efforts in ‘the war on terror’, we can back up a mere five weeks and understand Erdogan’s paranoia of free press; it was in October, 2015, two members of Turkey’s parliament revealed it was Erdogan’s intelligence services had arranged the 2013 Sarin gas attack that had killed over 1,300 Syrians:

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^ click on image to read preserved story

Of course this had been blamed on Basher al-Assad by Hussein Obama:

“The evidence is overwhelming that the Assad regime used such weapons on August 21st. U.N. inspectors gave a clear accounting that advanced rockets fired large quantities of sarin gas at civilians. These rockets were fired from a regime-controlled neighborhood and landed in opposition neighborhoods” -Barack Obama

I guess we could call that one ‘my friend fucks my enemy for me.’

And, of course, this past week has been all about satellite images and Russian warplane video of Islamic State tankers exporting oil via… you might have guessed it, Turkey. Well, I guess the warplane images indicate ISIS ‘suddenly not shipping quite as much oil.’ The USA hadn’t even noticed these targets prior to the Russians hitting them, I suppose our religious right generals at the Pentagon would call that ‘sexual abstinence’

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But this next guy would seem to think he’s been fucked in the ass over oil by Russia and that must be why Turkey ambushed a Russian bomber, his name is Hakan Fidan and he’s Erdogans’s intelligence chief:

Hakan Fidan rap sheet: Murdered more that 1,300 Syrians with sarin gas, blamed it on Assad; runs guns and ammunition to Islamic State; imports Islamic State oil to Turkey from Syria and Iraq; accessory to the murder of too many Syrians and Iraqis to count; a close Erdogan confidant

Now, let’s consider what Vladimir Putin had to say in relation to Turkey and by implication its intelligence services chief Hakan Fidan:

“We assume that the top political leadership of Turkey might not know anything about this [illegal oil trade]. Hard to believe, but it is theoretically possible. But if the top political leadership [in Turkey] doesn’t know anything about this, let them find out. I can state that there may be some elements of corruption, secret dealing, they should sort it out” -Vladimir Putin

I doubt Putin was in a good humor when he stated the preceding but his use of irony under the circumstance indicates he’s not in any mood to be fucked with; and furthermore indicates Turkey is going to be fucked but good.

Now, more or less ‘sticking’ with oil, lets look at some sound assumptions; our several intelligence agencies answer to the executive in the western democratic model. It follows, they report to the those same democracies bosses. So, what has Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND or German CIA) boss Gerhard Schindler been telling Angela Merkel? That Assad gassed his own people? Sorry but the BND reputation for intelligence in the region doesn’t allow for pigs growing wings:

Revelations over spying activities by the German foreign intelligence office Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) are undermining relations between Germany and Turkey at an already difficult time. According to a document acquired by Der Spiegel, the BND has been systematically wiretapping its NATO ally Turkey since at least 2009…

voyeur |voiˈyər, vwä-|
noun
a person who gains sexual pleasure from watching others when they are naked or engaged in sexual activity.
• a person who enjoys seeing the pain or distress of others.
DERIVATIVES
voyeurism |ˈvoiyəˌrizəm, voiˈyərˌizəm, vwäˈyər-| noun.
voyeuristic |ˌvoiyəˈristik, ˌvwäyə-| adjective.
voyeuristically adverb
ORIGIN early 20th cent.: from French, from voir ‘see.’

It’s safe to assume Angela Merkel knows whose fucking who when it comes to Turkey gassing Syrians:

The report quotes a US intelligence agent as saying: “No Western intelligence service has as good sources in Syria as the BND does.”

A member of the BND told the newspaper that the intelligence service was “proud of the important contribution [it] is making to the overthrow of the Assad regime.”

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Gerhard Schindler, boss of German intelligence; accessory to the murder of too many Syrians and Iraqis to count

Now, when it comes to Islamic State doing a billion dollar oil business with Turkey, do you suppose the Germans, Angela Merkel particularly, could claim she ‘didn’t know’? After all, according to a United States Defense Intelligence Agency report, the whole idea of “the western powers” fostering the rise of Islamic State was to bugger Assad. Who’re “the western powers” other than Germany? France and its multinational Total Oil Company make a fine next step into the bordello where your enemy is your friend’s favorite fuck:

Bernard Bajolet, boss of Direction générale de la sécurité extérieure (French CIA), accessory to murder of 130 Parisians and accessory to the murder of too many Syrians and Iraqis to count

The French company has ignored threats from the central Iraqi government in Baghdad and signed oil deals directly with the semi-autonomous Kurdistan region, where crude reserves are plentiful and contract terms more attractive than in the south.

“This success confirms Total’s exploration strategy in Iraq,” said Marc Blaizot, senior vice president for exploration at Total

Now, what will French intelligence chief Bernard Bajolet have told France’s President Hollande about Kurdistan having to do with ‘my enemy is my friend’s favorite fuck?’

Well, according to oilprice.com, ‘Kurdistan’ is a deliberately planned for, broken away piece of Iraq where:

“It is important to understand that Northern Iraq is a major market for Turkish exports and that oil and gas from coming Iraqi Kurdish territory is moved on to worldwide markets through Turkey,” Jellyfish President Michael Bagley told Oilprice.com.

“From a financial and logistical standpoint, an Ankara-Erbil marriage is one of exceptional convenience. From our standpoint, Northern Iraq stands to be one of the next great investment areas in the Middle East, and so far, the KRG [kurdish regional government] has managed to out-play Baghdad in the natural resources and investment game”

AND THIS

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Ninewa today is one of the last bastions of al-Qaeda in Iraq, and its blessing of the KRG-ExxonMobil deal is significant in terms of security

Did oilprice.com just say “al-Qaida in Iraq” gave a ‘security’ blessing to a Kurdish Regional Government deal with an oil company? I believe they did. Who is ‘al-Qaida in Iraq’ these days? Why it’s been recently re-branded as Islamic State. Huh. We could call this one ‘my friends who fuck my enemies who’re my friends.’ Or something like that.

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Alex Younger, head of MI6 (British CIA), accessory to the murder of too many Syrians and Iraqis to count

So, how does that all fit into Turkey is a one billion dollar partner in Islamic State oil exports and no one says anything? Let’s ask the Brits:

The attorney general was consulted about Monday’s decision. Karmy-Jones told the court in pre-trial hearings that Gildo had worked with Jabhat al-Nusra, a “proscribed group considered to be al-Qaida in Syria”. He was photographed standing over dead bodies with his finger pointing to the sky

Well, it seems British intelligence had to ask the British courts not to prosecute because MI6 had been funneling arms to the very Syria al-Qaida branch the returning jihadi had fought with. We could call this one ‘I won’t let you fuck my terrorist friend because he helps me to fuck people I like to see fucked.’ Considering this, I kind of doubt we’d get a  straight answer concerning British Petroleum activities in Turkey, you think?

Our downstream business in Turkey dates back to the 1940s and now includes retail fuels, lubricants and liquefied petroleum gas (LPG). We have over 600 dealer-owned and operated fuel stations throughout the country, as well as fuels and LPG terminals and storage facilities. ATAS, the former refinery and currently the largest fuels terminal in the Eastern Mediterranean, is 68% owned by BP. One of our most modern and high-tech lubricants plants is located in Gemlik

But David Cameron most certainly has a report on his desk pointing to BP had exported Kurdish oil via Turkey. Is British spy chief Alex Younger updating him on any BP related Islamic State exports? That’s his  job. Or maybe BP is informing Cameron direct, it’s not like his government keeps the multinational at arms length:

The Foreign Office, for example, held its annual “BP high level dinner” last July, “to strengthen the strategic relationship between BP and the FCO on global economic and energy issues”, according to heavily redacted documents marked “sensitive” and “restricted”. All the top FCO directors from the head of the diplomatic service down through the directors of the main regions, to the heads of the FCO economic, strategy, and “prosperity” units, were on the attendees list

I’ll bet Cameron accused Assad of gassing his own people too:

Cameron said he took “full and personal responsibility for the decision to recall parliament, for the decision to take a strong and principled stand against the gassing of children in Syria, and I take full responsibility for putting forward as generous a motion I could, to bring as many people with me as I could. Everyone who voted has to live with the way that they voted”

He actually meant to say ‘it’s easy to fuck ordinary Syrians [who Erdogan’s intelligence people gassed] when people suck up to my ‘Assad did it’ media lies’ (at The Guardian, no less.)

AND FINALLY

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The ‘special relationship.’ How is it the Pentagon gives the [only just very recently noticed] Islamic State oil-tanker truck drivers 45 minutes warning before blowing up [a few, token] trucks delivering oil to Turkey?

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CIA boss John Brennan; accessory to the murder of too many Syrians and Iraqis to count; close Obama confidant

Do you suppose the CIA’s John Brennan is actually concerned about civilian casualties? That doesn’t seem to concern his boss, ‘Commander-in-Chief’ Obama, in the case of drones.

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Serial killer of nations; cold-blooded killer of too many Syrians and Iraqis to count

I do believe the actual reason is linked to the screenshot of the article on delivery of arms to hard-line Islamists at the beginning of this essay; where in this related story…

Testimony from gendarmerie officers in court documents reviewed by Reuters allege that rocket parts, ammunition and semi-finished mortar shells were carried in trucks accompanied by state intelligence agency (MIT) officials more than a year ago to parts of Syria under Islamist control

…it is intelligence assets are the drivers of the trucks loaded with weapons delivered into Syria. One loaded Islamic State tanker truck driven out of Syria almost certainly out-values, by far, any truckload of weapons driven in. It follows, you don’t bomb your allied fuck-buddies’ fuckers who do the driving. Call it a matter of being discreet: ‘we won’t butt-fuck our fuck-buddies outside of the barracks.’

Meanwhile (this update comes precisely one day since I’d penned the preceding), Erdogan’s government henchmen have arrested and charged the police officials who’d initiated the investigation into illegal weapons transfers to jihadists in Syria:

Maj. Gen. Aydın and retired Col. Cihangiroğlu were arrested on charges of “obtaining confidential information for purposes of political or military espionage; disclosing confidential information pertaining to state security for espionage purposes; attempting to destroy or prevent the government of the Republic of Turkey from functioning; founding or leading an armed terrorist organization.”

Brig. Gen. Celepoğlu was arrested on charges of “attempting to destroy or prevent the government of the Republic of Turkey from functioning; founding or leading an armed terrorist organization.”

Two journalists from the Cumhuriyet daily, Editor-in-Chief Can Dündar and the Ankara representative Erdem Gül were arrested last week on similar charges after publishing footage that showed the arms [trucks] were carrying guns, contrary to earlier government claims that they were transporting humanitarian aid:

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^ Erdogan’s ‘humanitarian aid

At the end of the day, if you’re a honest cop doing your job but cross Pasha Erdogan’s dirty dealings with ISIS and al-Qaida, the consequence is simple: “You’re fucked”

Don’t like this shit? Here’s a letter to copy, paste and send plus the email addresses of those people who’ll be most butt-hurt (German Parliamentarians) at having to do something about it: Send a Letter

*On behalf of the people of Paris*

16 December 2015 update: A Turkish member of parliament who spoke to Russia’s RT News about the export of sarin gas from Turkey to Syria has been charged with treason:

https://www.rt.com/news/326084-erdem-rt-interview-treason/

Note on the original post: In March 2016 Erdogan had ‘Today’s Zaman’ newspaper shut down, killing the links to the related stories. However  anticipating this, I saved screenshots and text of the Zaman article on Turkey supplying the sarin gas used at Ghouta, Syria in August 2013. That information is preserved HERE.

Updated 27 April 2017:

NATO vs Syria

Prior to the ‘world-wide-web’ allowing for the spread of ‘unsanctioned’ information, the world of spies was much safer (for the spies.) Few common people understand the depth of depravity in that world. With the CIA recently up to its armpits in the cesspool of its own making and credibility in serious doubt, the ‘remove Assad for a western pipeline‘ project turns to the French for the new frame-up job; where sarin produced for ‘the moderate opposition’ in Syria (includes a rebranded al Qaida) by NATO’s Turkey is proof ‘Assad did it’ but when the facts are examined closely, we know it is actually NATO intelligence agencies are responsible. However when French intelligence pronounces Assad responsible because the sarin matches the ‘Assad did it’ (actually NATO’s Turkey) from 2013, the western corporate media whore ‘Associated (with journalistic prostitution) Press’ picks up the lie and runs with it.

The simple math: Turkey frames Assad for a sarin attack in 2013, Turkey’s NATO allies all step up and close ranks around the ‘Assad did it’ lie and because the sarin of 2017 matches the sarin of 2013, Assad must’ve done it this time as well.

Don”t get me wrong, I don’t think Assad is some sweet guy, after all, no different to Gaddafi, Assad was willing to take in CIA (out-sourced) renditioned prisoners for ‘enhanced’ (super-barbaric) torture prior to NATO stabbing him in the back. However if this immediate preceding should be out in the open, the truly responsible parties to the sarin attacks should be in the open as well. If indeed there is a sarin match to the 2013 attack, this would point to NATO’s Turkey having supplied Islamic militants rather than ‘Assad did it’

That French intelligence would perpetrate this tired lie is nothing short of psychopathic; but that’s how the game is played. This link is the lie as presented at France 24 (and how we know better after that)

http://www.france24.com/en/20170426-french-intelligence-syrian-regime-behind-disputed-chemical-attack

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One year ago, Eric Zuesse put words in Seymour Hersh’s mouth in an article titled “Seymour Hersh Says Hillary Approved Sending Libya’s Sarin to Syrian Rebels” picked up by several ‘alternative’ news sites including Strategic Culture Foundation:

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One year on, this patent disinformation has been disseminated widely, so far as finding its way into the almost always astute Corbett Report:

In otherwise excellent reporting, at minute 2:07, we discover Zeusse’s disinformation referred to in both audio and screenshot:

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Prior to Turkey’s President Erdogan shutting down pretty much all independent (those unsupportive of Erdogan) media in Turkey, it had been reported (preserved article HERE) some overzealous local police and prosecutors uncovered Turkish intelligence had facilitated delivery of sarin nerve agent to Islamic State in Syria, used to murder over 1,300 Syrians. The plan was to blame this on Basher al-Assad and force Obama to make good on his ‘red line’ threat towards Assad’s removal. According to the reporting, this had been covered up, that is, until a pair of CHP opposition deputies (members of parliament) had brought the criminal investigative file into public and included this following:

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“CHP deputies Eren Erdem and Ali Şeker held a press conference in İstanbul on Wednesday in which they claimed the investigation into allegations regarding Turkey’s involvement in the procurement of sarin gas which was used in the chemical attack on a civil population and delivered to the terrorist Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) to enable the attack was derailed.

“Taking the floor first, Erdem stated that the Adana Chief Prosecutor’s Office launched an investigation into allegations that sarin was sent to Syria from Turkey via several businessmen. An indictment followed regarding the accusations targeting the government.

““The MKE [Turkish Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation] is also an actor that is mentioned in the investigation file. Here is the indictment. All the details about how sarin was procured in Turkey and delivered to the terrorists, along with audio recordings, are inside the file,” Erdem said while waving the file”

What did Hersh actually say?

Independent of this preceding reporting, Seymour Hersh, in his essay ‘The Redline and the Ratline’, attributes the August 2013 sarin attack (blamed on Assad) to Turkey, from altogether different sources via American intelligence:

“‘We knew there were some in the Turkish government,’ a former senior US intelligence official, who has access to current intelligence, told me, ‘who believed they could get Assad’s nuts in a vice by dabbling with a sarin attack inside Syria – and forcing Obama to make good on his red line threat.’”

Hersh also cites DIA intelligence that independently matches the Zaman reporting on Turkey providing the sarin precursor chemicals to Islamic radicals except Al-Nusra (al-Qaida) rather than Islamic State:

“‘Previous IC [intelligence community] focus had been almost entirely on Syrian CW [chemical weapons] stockpiles; now we see ANF attempting to make its own CW … Al-Nusrah Front’s relative freedom of operation within Syria leads us to assess the group’s CW aspirations will be difficult to disrupt in the future.’ The paper drew on classified intelligence from numerous agencies: ‘Turkey and Saudi-based chemical facilitators,’ it said, ‘were attempting to obtain sarin precursors in bulk, tens of kilograms, likely for the anticipated large scale production effort in Syria.’”

Then, Hersh appears to be referring to the same intelligence agency endeavors reported in the (now shut down newspaper) Zaman story covering the CHP deputies in Turkey:

“Last May, more than ten members of the al-Nusra Front were arrested in southern Turkey with what local police told the press were two kilograms of sarin. In a 130-page indictment the group was accused of attempting to purchase fuses, piping for the construction of mortars, and chemical precursors for sarin. Five of those arrested were freed after a brief detention”

Hersh then cites the DIA again, pointing to Turkey supplied sarin precusors, pointing to a Turkish company as suppliers, for purpose of acquiring “sarin precursor” chemicals:

“The DIA paper took the arrests as evidence that al-Nusra was expanding its access to chemical weapons. It said Qassab had ‘self-identified’ as a member of al-Nusra, and that he was directly connected to Abd-al-Ghani, the ‘ANF emir for military manufacturing’. Qassab and his associate Khalid Ousta worked with Halit Unalkaya, an employee of a Turkish firm called Zirve Export, who provided ‘price quotes for bulk quantities of sarin precursors’.

None of this points to the ‘ratline.’ Hersh then places a * between paragraphs to change the subject away from the sarin story and moves onto the Libya arms channel. When Hersh does refer back to the subject of sarin in the larger context, he again locates that in Turkey:

“By the end of 2012, it was believed throughout the American intelligence community that the rebels were losing the war. ‘Erdoğan was pissed,’ the former intelligence official said, ‘and felt he was left hanging on the vine. It was his money and the cut-off was seen as a betrayal.’ In spring 2013 US intelligence learned that the Turkish government – through elements of the MIT, its national intelligence agency, and the Gendarmerie, a militarised law-enforcement organisation – was working directly with al-Nusra and its allies to develop a chemical warfare capability. ‘The MIT [Turkey’s CIA] was running the political liaison with the rebels, and the Gendarmerie handled military logistics, on-the-scene advice and training – including training in chemical warfare,’ the former intelligence official said. ‘Stepping up Turkey’s role in spring 2013 was seen as the key to its problems there. Erdoğan knew that if he stopped his support of the jihadists it would be all over. The Saudis could not support the war because of logistics – the distances involved and the difficulty of moving weapons and supplies. Erdoğan’s hope was to instigate an event that would force the US to cross the red line. But Obama didn’t respond in March and April.’

After another * break and moving to conclusions, Hersh again cites USA intelligence source:

“‘We now know it was a covert action planned by Erdoğan’s people to push Obama over the red line,’ the former intelligence official said. ‘They had to escalate to a gas attack in or near Damascus when the UN inspectors’ – who arrived in Damascus on 18 August to investigate the earlier use of gas – ‘were there. The deal was to do something spectacular. Our senior military officers have been told by the DIA and other intelligence assets that the sarin was supplied through Turkey – that it could only have gotten there with Turkish support. The Turks also provided the training in producing the sarin and handling it.’”

What Hersh had actually been describing is, a failing clandestine policy, the ratline, leading to an increasingly desperate Turkey employing a homegrown (in Turkey) plot to provide nerve gas to Islamic militants to gas the Syrian civil populace and blame it on Assad; to draw the USA in more deeply. Nowhere in his article(s) does Hersh claim Hillary was involved with ordering the gas attack, nor does Hersh ever point to the sarin components originating in Libya. But Zuesse, I presume an atheist, behaves like a fundamental Christian interpreting Bible prophecy with his:

“Hersh also said that a secret agreement in 2012 was reached between the Obama Administration and the leaders of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, to set up a sarin gas attack and blame it on Assad so that the US could invade and overthrow Assad. «By the terms of the agreement, funding came from Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia and Qatar; the CIA, with the support of MI6, was responsible for getting arms from Gaddafi’s arsenals into Syria». Hersh didn’t say whether these «arms» included the precursor chemicals for making sarin which were stockpiled in Libya, but there have been multiple independent reports that Libya’s Gaddafi possessed such stockpiles, and also that the US Consulate in Benghazi Libya was operating a «rat line» for Gaddafi’s captured weapons into Syria through Turkey” 

After Zuesse claims Hersh said the Americans were premeditated co-conspirators in the sarin attack (Hersh said no such thing), Zuesse ‘sort of’ admits Hersh actually didn’t make that claim, while reading tea leaves that must have ayahuasca hallucinogen residue when going on to make his case Hersh is saying (without saying) the USA delivered the sarin in context that actually shows Hersh never inferred as much.

Hillary is a world class criminal without having to lay false blame on her giant ass. What Zeusse had done is, deflect blame from the real perpetrators of the attack with Sarin at Ghouta, Syria, in August, 2013. Those perpetrators are, at the top, President Erdogan of Turkey and his intelligence chief Hakan Fidan. Zuesse blew it. His story is bollocks.

That the Corbett Report would pick up what amounts to a lie and run with it, points to the dangers of not vetting stories; and perhaps, harboring prejudiced associations; where a Turkish Sufi news outlet (the Zaman shut down by Erdogan) by default associated with Fetullah Gulen, would have reliably reported the facts must give close Corbett Report associate (and more often astute) Sibel Edmonds a case of hives.

And, of course, none of Zuesse’s disinformation does anything to help the Turkish member of parliament who’d blown the whistle and revealed the investigative files which determined the sarin precursor chemicals had been imported by Turkish companies, FROM EUROPE, and then delivered by Turkish intelligence to Islamic militants:

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“All basic materials are purchased from Europe. Western institutions should question themselves about these relations. Western sources know very well who carried out the sarin gas attack in Syria

“As for his accusations about Turkish businessmen being involved in supplying Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) with the poisonous gas sarin and other reactants needed for chemical warfare, Erdem maintained this statement was made based on the results of a Turkish court investigation in 2013”

Note: The confusion between sources of  whether sarin was being delivered to Islamic State or al Nusra (al Qaida) appears to stem from these events were occurring about the time al Qaida in Iraq and Levant (includes Syria) was splitting into the separate groups Islamic State and al Nusra (or perhaps indicates Turkey supplying both)

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